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A event log for DIY Picosatellites Hack Chat

It may be small, but it's still rocket science

dan-maloneyDan Maloney 06/21/2023 at 20:130 Comments

lakeskin12:57 PM
If you need a GPS unit capable of operating at these altitutdes, or an ion thruster for a private project how can you be a member of the general public and attempt this? DIY sort of implies anyone with the knowhow could attempt this but there are obvious barriers, aren't there? Do you have to be professionally certified to be launching these satellites and get your hands on requisite hardware? You mention 'spicy solar panels' and radiation hardened hardware, stuff that isn't easily available to even a hobbyist engineer off hand. I feel like a lot of the DIY part of what you're saying is incomplete, of course you can use a Raspberry Pi or SDR or anything you like, but what about the stuff that you absolutely need? What's the process like?

Boian Mitov12:57 PM
How the tin fears in space ? I was under the impression it turns to dust at low temperatures

Dan Maloney12:58 PM
@Boian Mitov - like tin whiskers?

Nathaniel@quub.space12:58 PM
Hey guys, I'm running very short on time here, gonna try to answer a few quick

Thomas Shaddack12:58 PM
Can you just sneak tin-lead in? Would mitigate both the whiskers and tin pest.

lakeskin12:58 PM
I feel like I heard a lot of stuff about open source space tech before from outfits like Copenhagen Suborbitals for example, but eventually they had to take their designs down because of security concerns

Dan Maloney12:58 PM
No worries, we're up against the top of the hour anyway.

Boian Mitov12:59 PM
If I recall the pure tin turns to dust at very low temperatures

Boian Mitov1:00 PM
so special soldering has to be done for low temperature applications etc.

Thomas Shaddack1:00 PM
Thought. GaN-based optocouplers. Ordinary optos are GaAs that is rather rad-sensitive. GaN should be way more robust. Blue LED optically coupled over a photosensor?

Thomas Shaddack1:00 PM
Indium solders for cryo... nom!

Guru-san1:00 PM
Wait, is there enough atmosphere for buoyancy to work on the low orbit sattelite?

Nathaniel@quub.space1:01 PM
- Tin whiskers are a concern, but we mitigate this whenever possible using very little solder, and specialized ( fairly certain it can be got on Amazon )

GPS chips themselves are required to not work higher than certain altitudes or faster than certain speeds. However, it's not actually needed to know the positioning. Orbits are fairly reliable and after a location is locked, we can track it until re-entry using math and signal reaquisition alone.

Nathaniel@quub.space1:01 PM
> I feel like I heard a lot of stuff about open source space tech before from outfits like Copenhagen Suborbitals for example, but eventually they had to take their designs down because of security concerns

@lakeskin This is part of why we are maintaining a versioning gap in our releases.

anfractuosity1:02 PM
How long do they orbit for? I'm guessing a few months?

lakeskin1:02 PM
what if you have to make adjustments? are reaction wheels enough to change your trajectory?

Nathaniel@quub.space1:02 PM
Our estimated mission duration per-sat is 3-5 years @anfractuosity.

lakeskin1:02 PM
sorry i mean in terms of staying in orbit

anfractuosity1:02 PM
oh wow!

Nathaniel@quub.space1:03 PM
@lakeskin Reaction wheels are more like flailing your arms while sitting on a barstool. You sort of just spin.

That's why we have Thrust!

Thomas Shaddack1:03 PM
What fuel for the ion engines?

Thomas Shaddack1:03 PM
Could laser-ablation of an otherwise inert block of solid "fuel" work too?

Nathaniel@quub.space1:04 PM
Check out the link above for AIS, there's a few different fuels.

Alright, last call for images, questions, anything else before I have to go!

lakeskin1:04 PM
I assumed ion engines were for special missions, are they on all your satellites?

Thomas Shaddack1:04 PM
What material for wire insulations to cope with space?

Thomas Shaddack1:05 PM
Any conformal coatings on the boards?

lakeskin1:05 PM
And can you buy an ion thruster as a hobbyist lol

anfractuosity1:05 PM
that'd be a fun thing to play with, i assume you need a vac chamber to measure the thrust on earth?

Thomas Shaddack1:06 PM
I saw somewhere a vacuum glovebox using arms from a spacesuit...

Nathaniel@quub.space1:07 PM
> I assumed ion engines were for special missions, are they on all your satellites?

All of our main constellation sats, we're aiming for 400 in orbit at the same time!

> And can you buy an ion thruster as a hobbyist lol

Joe found AIS through friends, but aside from being back-ordered, I believe the answer is totally yes!

jonathojacobsen5531:07 PM
You can make ion Thruster for air pretty easily.

Nathaniel@quub.space1:07 PM
Ours are indeed vac-only

lakeskin1:07 PM
yes of course for vacuum, not for air.

Nathaniel@quub.space1:09 PM
Alright everyone, Thank you SO MUCH!

I had a blast, if you need to reach out to me I'm frantically available via email at nathaniel.evry@quub.space and twitter @NathanielEvry

That' is of course if you can get me out of a cleanroom ;P

Norbert Heinz1:09 PM
@Nathaniel@quub.space Thanks for an inspirational hack chat!

Dan Maloney1:09 PM
@Nathaniel@quub.space, thanks so much for dropping by today, this was fantastic. Lots of great discussion, plenty to learn. And great questions from everyone, too. Thanks to all!

And transcript coming right up, too. Thanks all!

Boian Mitov1:09 PM
Thank you @Nathaniel@quub.space Cool stuff, and Great Chat!

Thomas Shaddack1:09 PM
Very inspirational. Thanks!

jonathojacobsen5531:09 PM
Don't they use like Xenon as "fuel" normally, because of being non-reactive??

hkurz1:09 PM
thx a lot, very inspiring!

anfractuosity1:09 PM
thanks a lot!

Boian Mitov1:09 PM
And thank you @Dan Maloney for organizing it!

Nathaniel@quub.space1:09 PM
Thanks @Dan Maloney !

Dan Maloney1:10 PM
And make sure you come by next week:

Boian Mitov1:10 PM
@Nathaniel@quub.space I sent you a private message for when you have time to check... ;-)

Dan Maloney1:10 PM

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