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shulie-tornelShulie Tornel 04/28/2017 at 20:160 Comments

Sophi Kravitz How many people in here have entries in the Hackaday Prize?

Shayna

Sophi Kravitz +1

redhose i hav enone

Sophi Kravitz https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dydEYy8t2vb_8hE-9_XUh__MclYn-GxiUDLrRH3KOHo/edit#gid=0

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morganrallen
I've long wondered what the meat popsicle line means.....

davedarko I have one

Morning.Star Hey everyone.

Shulie Tornel HI @Morning.Star

Yann Guidon / YGDE "How many people in here have entries in the Hackaday Prize?" Can one become an entry prize ? :-P

Morning.Star Keeping an eye on, I'm cooking and eating... :-)

Yann Guidon / YGDES Shayna: that's what robots pretend.

Shulie Tornel @Yann Guidon / YGDES As long as it includes some kind of hardware. :)

Sophi Kravitz the question is : What about software entries ? Should the contest entries be only hardware ? or MUST have a HW part ?

Yann Guidon / YGDES Hackaday.io allows software-only projects and doesn't disqualify them

Sophi Kravitz says:12:05 P

so at least for the next 4 rounds, you must actually build something

Nick Sayer But... software is "built..."

Sophi Kravitz we don't say in the official rules that it must be hardware

Nick Sayer :D

Yann Guidon / YGDES Nick : hahahaha

Sophi Kravitz and Nick, you're right, it is built

Shulie Tornel Build something physical.

Frank Buss is there software without hardware? this gets philosophical

Sophi Kravitz and since we don't expressly say it must only be hardware, you can submit a software project

Yann Guidon / YGDES So SW-only project are OK apaprently ?

Sophi Kravitz but it is unlikely to do well because it won't fit the judging critera

Yann Guidon / YGDES huh ?

Frank Buss so there are hidden judging critera?

Morning.Star Fuzzy rules AI judges :-p

Yann Guidon / YGDES how can the judging criteria be so remote from the contest rules ?

Sophi Kravitz they are not remote

Sophi Kravitz sec, looking them up now

Yann Guidon / YGDES ok

davedarko are we talking about a programs? there's a pin gallery library in the prize, pretty cool, that would be plain SW... so

Mike Szczys It's hard to say that anything is "plain software"

davedarkohttps://hackaday.io/project/20562-mcu-pin-setup

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Proof-of-concept: https://hubberthus.github.io/ If you are familiar with development boards widely available, like an Arduino, you most likely looked at the pin-out image for it, because they have different layouts. MCU pin setup is a visual WYSIWYG online tool, which allows you to setup the pin layout by clicking, see information, instant feedback of warnings or errors.

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Mike Szczys It must run on something

Yann Guidon / YGDES I entered a couple of C libraries

Neil K. Sheridan Me!

Mike Szczys If you have the greatest software project in the world, your project will need to demonstrat how to use it, what it runs on, and how it achieves its goals

Yann Guidon / YGDES https://hackaday.io/project/18012-c-spi-library-for-raspberry-pi https://hackaday.io/project/17066-c-gpio-library-for-raspberry-pi

Mike Szczys Kind of like how it's very hard these days to have a purely hardware project.

Sophi Kravitz whatever software you write, you have to... oooh what @Mike Szczys said

Sophi Kravitz How thoroughly have the entry requirements been completed?

Does this project address the current challenge?

Does the project benefit society in some way?

Is there base-level planning for the functionality (eg: functional block diagram, list of specifications and how they will be met, etc.)?

How well documented is the project. Could the work be replicated?

Is the project creative, original, functional, and pushing boundaries?

those are the criteria

davedarko @Neil K. Sheridan - I think you're fine with a dual raspberry PI setup :)

Yann Guidon / YGDE I'm still confused :D

Neil K. Sheridan hehe thanks @davedarko

Sophi Kravitz So Yann

Michele Perla @Frank Buss hhhey frank I used fsrs because they are easier to multiplex and to implement in a diy fashion.

Sophi Kravitz the project you link to has a bunch of hardware projects that the library runs on

Sophi Kravitz you'd be more likely to do well in the contest with one of the hardware projects + the library

Yann Guidon / YGDES I'd say it's even my foundational library :-D

Sophi Kravitz @Yann Guidon / YGDES make sense? :D

Sophi Kravitz alright, next up is a project looking for feedback : https://hackaday.io/project/18760-neosegment-7-segment-display-made-with-neopixels

Sophi Kravitz by @Maksim Surguy

Yann Guidon / YGDES So I suppose https://hackaday.io/project/20862-simon-says-learn-pi-and-iot fits the criteria better

davedarko hm. get back to me when it's alphanumerical :p

Sophi Kravitz @Yann Guidon / YGDES yes, also, I love that project

Shulie Tornel @Yann Guidon / YGDES Both are great projects.

Sophi Kravitz is @Maksim Surguy here?

Frank Buss @Sophi Kravitz the criteria doesn't mention anything about hardware, it could be like a social media site implementation and would fit :-)

Sophi Kravitz you're right, we don't specify

Yann Guidon / YGDES OK so I understand : let's hack the rules and definitions ? :-P

Sophi Kravitz because we don't want to kill anyone's creativity

Sophi Kravitz but the software/ firmware/ library must run on something

Yann Guidon / YGDES I providede example source code and showed other projects using it

Daniel S. Ah clever on the 7 segment. I guess to match the IOUT goal it'd have to be connected somehow?

Yann Guidon / YGDES somehow i suppose

davedarko I think I saw @Maksim Surguy earlier. Does it have the classic A-G arrangement? is it breadboard friendly?

Sophi Kravitz anyone have feedback on https://hackaday.io/project/18760-neosegment-7-segment-display-made-with-neopixels

Nick Sayer Looking...

Daniel S. Or make it crazy simple to use, like a regular 7-segment

Daniel S. plus a few pins for color select

Nick Sayer My only thing about that project is that I'm not sure how it "makes the world a better place."

Nick Sayer But maybe I'm setting the bar too high on that one.

Yann Guidon / YGDES RGB-7segments are cool and fun :-)

Frank Buss more LEDs are always better

davedarko @Maksim Surguy - there's room for improvement, make it breadboard friendly, and easy to adapt from a classic 7seg to yours (arrange the segments in order like classic ones)

Alberto @Maksim Surguy Have you tried chaining more digits to the display? Since it's using a data bus, maybe you can have a lot of them

Michele Perla I agree with the "make the world a better place" thingy

Daniel S. I see the 7-segment thing as a building block. It's not a complete project yet. It needs to be part of a bigger picture.

Yann Guidon / YGDES Frank : that's what my clients think (until they see the bill)

Frank Buss the world can't have enough LEDs :-)

Daniel S. Like... large color coded clock for the hard-of-seeing

Yann Guidon / YGDES Frank : sure it can...

Nick Sayer I do see some value in the sense that sometimes you want to make a BIG seven segment display and there aren't fantastic tools for that.

Shulie Tornel We're looking for impactful projects, something that could make someone's quality of life better.

davedarko RGB = more color

more color = more fun

more fun = more happy people

more happy people = better world @Nick Sayer

Sophi Kravitz @Alberto welcome!

Michele Perla I would also like to get some feedback on my current project

Daniel S. scale up that 7-seg to like n-inch tall segments, and have yellow be for AM and purple be for PM

Sophi Kravitz post the link

Nick Sayer @Daniel S. Don't limit it to just two - you could fade from one to the other across dusk/dawn.

Michele Perla #MATT - Modular Audio Toolkit for Teensy

Yann Guidon / YGDES "make someone's quality of life better." that's so... unclear

davedark +1 for Yann

Nick Sayer @Yann Guidon / YGDES I disagree. It's very clear, it's just not black and white.

Nick Sayer There are many shades of "better."

Daniel S. s@Nick Sayer but AM/PM is binary. that's all i was getting at.

Mike Szczys Well put @Nick Sayer

Michele Perla Well Yann if you find a way to easily clean water or make antibiotics in extreme.environments that is making someone else's life better

Sophi Kravitz #MATT - Modular Audio Toolkit for Teensy

davedarko let's please not ask that question for every project

Nick Sayer @Michele Perla A nice fancy clock makes life better too, just by a far smaller margin than clean water. :)

Nick Sayer @davedarko Fair enough.

Daniel S. If you have clean water but can't see your clock, the clock's margin is better ;-)

Daniel S. Better? greater. whatever.

Yann Guidon / YGDES One example : my quality of life would have been better if some stupid Intel engineer didn't let a race condition slip in the laptop's chipset, that allowed some script kiddy to ruin one year of my work. Or if SDRAM sticks didn't allow someone to overwrite the chip configuration, making me lose 200€. You see, it's all relative...

Nick Sayer #FirstWorldProblems :D

Frank Buss nice hardware, but might be useful to have an example application, like a Moog synthesizer implementation

Maksim Surguy Lol laughing at all the commens

Thanks for the feedback

Michele Perla Of course.. There is always relativity :)

Mike Szczys Heh, of course it's all relative. And first world problems are still problems

Maksim Surguy I guess I need to update the logs, those are old

castvee8 For this chat I think I choose to be a most casual observer........

Shulie Tornel You could take a look at the types of projects that won, in previous years. For example, the eyedriveomatic.

Maksim Surguy Here's the latest pic : https://twitter.com/msurguy/status/857981018124374016

Michele Perla Anyways I would like to know if my diagram is unse

davedarko so, whom do you aim to help with MATT, Michele?

Mike Szczys I think there is always merit in recognizing a valid problem and trying to solve it

Nick Sayer Oh one more tiny bit of feedback... For those not using KiCad, it might be nice to post a PDF schematic s well

Michele Perla Is understandable*

Daniel S. @Michele Perla the IOAPEX is the most interesting part of that project to me. that's a lot of muxing.

BDMQuestion: If yo do not have many views or skulls are you pretty much out of the race for a prize?

Michele Perla Thanks man

Nick Saye @BDM I hope not. :)

Shulie Tornel @BDM No, it just may have gone under the radar. Our judges look at every single project entered into the prize.

Yann Guidon / YGDE BDM : that's not a criterion, AFAIK

Maksim Surguy @Alberto see my link to the pic above, it is chainable

davedarko statistically yes

Frank Buss @Michele Perla yes, it is clear, but you should definitely add some concrete use cases for it, what you can do with it

BDM thanks for info

davedarko in my opinion :D

Shulie Tornel @davedarko hopes... deleted

Neil K. Sheridan I tried to think of something that would make as many ppl's lives better as I could! But still be feasible - vs. like well you could design off-grid village w renewable energy + water/waste processing + plant growing but it would be a bit large-scale n unfeasible!!

Jack Laidlaw Hey guys sorry I'm a bit late got times mixed up.

Alex Williams How much does the voter/seed funding results sway judging?? Will the judges spend more time looking at pieces with more "likes" or are they all looked at equally?

davedarko @BDM - I just recognized your cleaning robot car, great project!

Yann Guidon / YGDES Neil: you show the practical aspects of "trying to enhance the world forcefully"

Nick Sayer For my entry, I had a personal itch to scratch, but in thinking about it, I realized that it solved some rather important problems.

davedarko sorry @Shulie Tornel - I'm missing @Radomir Dopieralski - he's the hardcore realistic one

davedarko personal motivation is big with my project, not to actually win the prize

Sophi Kravitz @Alex Williams no one will be looking at the likes for judging purposes

Alex Williams Awesome, thank you

TegwynTwmffat i dont think a project involving treatment of human waste will win .....

Alberto @Maksim Surguy OK I just saw it, coool!

Yann Guidon / YGDE TegwynTwmffat : recycling spammers ? :-D

Shulie Tornel I like to refer to this to look at what is considered "social change". This in no way reflects how the judges score. http://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-development-goals/

davedarko @BDM are you on your way to the talking dog from UP, the movie?

Mike Szczys @TegwynTwmffat "Clean water and sanitation" is in that list @Shulie Tornel just shared

BDM

@davedarko no, more of your feeling projecting how the dog is doing

TegwynTwmffat i dont think the sponsors will like waste orientated projects?

davedarkoah okay. I saw a sketch of the dogcollar and got a vibe

BDM @davedarko When my dog barks this way it means this (scared, hurt, mad, or a spaz)

Mike Szczys @TegwynTwmffat you need to impress the judges, not the sponsors.

davedarko pretty cool, work on the title and description maybe

Jack Laidlaw

If you make waste useful or clean then I'm sure thats a positive.

TegwynTwmffat

sponsors trump the judges?

Sophi Kravitz sponsors have nothing to do with judging

TegwynTwmffat oh good!davedarko

@TegwynTwmffat - wich one are we talking about?

Shulie Tornel Yes!

Sophi Kravitz hi @Jack Laidlaw

TegwynTwmffat just general waste projects

davedarko so all

TheThriftstoreHacker Hello everyone!

BDM @davedarko thanks, I'll think of something more down to earth. Maybe back to my "lazy" ... 9000 series

Neil K. Sheridan Does someone have a waste-processing project?!

TegwynTwmffat yes ... me

Jack Laidlaw hi @Sophi Kravitz

Yann Guidon / YGDES Mike : "Clean water and sanitation" is a solved problem for many countries. Other countries where it's not have issues that are political, economical and social, if not religious: it's not something that technology can solve :-(

Shulie TorneHI Jack!

TegwynTwmffat i did not work on it as i thought it would lose

Frank Buss one of my projects recycles an old mechanical clock :-)

Michele Perla Well the thing is that as we said before there is different levels of lfie changing

davedarko there are still two days left @TegwynTwmffa

Michele Perla life changing*

TegwynTwmffat @davedarko LOL !!!!

Jack Laidlaw Hi @Shulie Tornel

TheThriftstoreHacker Ok here is a realitively uneducated science question. If i took waste water and put it through an HHO generator could i turn the HHO back into H2O?

Nick Sayer I have a soft spot for clocks. Clocks and guns. Both are simple to describe, but doing it right requries exacting engineering and performance.

Shulie Tornel Yes, and I think every country has different levels of health issues to tackle and solve.

Neil K. Sheridan oh great! Well I think that is pretty cool @TegwynTwmffat

anfractuosity why not just distill the waste wateer in that case ?

Frank Buss it will be internet connected and NTP synchronized

davedarko the water?

BDM ha

davedarko oh. :D sorry.

Frank Buss my clock :-)

Alex Williams @Nick Sayer Could the same not be said about engines?

Nick Sayer @Frank Buss https://hackaday.io/project/20156-raspberry-pi-zero-w-desk-clock

Yann Guidon / YGDES Clocks are awesome :-)

davedarko next question from the sheet maybe?

Nick Sayer @Alex Williams Yes, absolutely. They're just a lot more fiddley.

Michele Perla @Frank Buss thanks again for the feedback. I will write some use cases in the next days. First I need to lay out the initial specs for the second and third module.

Shulie Tornel @davedarko Will you limit the amount of projects per person for the next years funding round?

Alex Williams Hence less easy to desibe

Shulie Tornel You just wanted to move on cuz you knew your question was next, Dave.

Nick Sayer lol

davedarko hehe sure :)

Jack Laidlaw haha

davedarko soooo, will ya?

Yann Guidon / YGDES no we were drifting :-)

Shulie Tornel I don't see why we would. Do you see an issue with this? Like someone adding 20 projects?

Frank Buss @Nick Sayer nice clock

davedarko that happend

Michele Perla oh I have something related

Nick Sayer @Frank Buss Thank you!

davedarko sso I was wondering, what the stand of HaD would be on that

Shulie Tornel sHow would that effect the # of likes they get?

Shulie Tornel It has to be a good project to get likes, right?

Yann Guidon / YGDES no

davedarko no

Michele Perla i would say kinda

Shulie Tornel LOL

Alex Williams Apparently not

davedarko just good social engineering ;) right Yann?

Shulie Tornel We DQ projects that cheat.

Frank Buss my clock project:

TheThriftstoreHacker does not have to be good. just useful :)

Frank Buss https://hackaday.io/project/20474-antique-nixie-clock

Michele Perla social skills help

Yann Guidon / YGDES likes are not proportional

TheThriftstoreHacker Nixie clocks are awesome

Michele Perla I suppose that's why there's a team of judges

Michele Perla filtering the stuff

Shulie Tornel Entering multiple projects is not cheating.... but like-bots are

Michele Perla right_

Alex Williams Have a class of peers/co workers also helps

Nick Sayer I made a helper gizmo for Nixie clocks.

Michele Perla I have a related question if I might

Frank Buss but I really don't know how it changes the world :-(

davedarko okay cool :) will there be a statistic on how many likes were given per person?

davedarko I wan't to know how much likes I gave that made money :D

Yann Guidon / YGDES Dave : good one !

Shulie Tornel hm, i'm not sure if the's a way to pull that info. We can find out, tho.

Sophi Kravitz there is someone on this site that does all the stats for everything

Shulie Tornel There has to be a way.

Sophi Kravitz Frank

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